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spokeThoughts on a second viewing of Dead Man's Chest.
Mercer is a distinctly creepy shadow. Especially when Beckett addresses that line about every man having a price to him. Very air of conspiracy, there.
...is it possible that the chest Beckett wants is not Davy Jones's?
1. Beckett never mentions Davy Jones. He says 'There is more than one chest of value in these waters.'
2. Jack and Gibbs come to the conclusion that he's after 'the Chest' but here again - they don't mention Davy Jones, they just hurry to get a move on. It could just as easily be, 'oh we've got to get this Jones business out of the way and protect the real prize.'
3. And when Norrington brings him Davy Jones's still-beating heart? (I just get a kick out of saying that, and yes I did say that while typing. ;p ) We see interest on Beckett's face, but not triumph I think. It's Norrington himself who looks ever-so-smug. And it cuts there, it doesn't show us how Beckett reacts to knowing what was in the bag.
Other than that? Just, wow. The self-references, all the old scenes with new looks. Will on a piece of broken ship for a raft, and waking up to see Elizabeth! Her father breaking the candlestick off, and he's still there while they're becoming all intimate. >:P Her wedding dress is the umbrella, isn't it?
That was Barbossa's hat in Tia Dalma's place - watching Black Pearl now, and there he is wearing it.
the Kraken is still incredibly cool. I can't imagine getting tired of seeing that, you know? Arms snaking up to ensnare the ship, and realizing it can't even see what its doing - just feeling its way to a grip firm enough to bring the ship down. At least, until it got Jack. I rather think it half climbed onto the ship like that because, as Gibbs said, they made it angry. 'Forget the crushing, I want to bite something!'
That something just happened to be its original prey.
I suppose I should be sad about Jack, except I really don't believe he's gone. Not with Will and his Piratey Crew all set up for their Heroic Quest. :D With Barbossa, omg. Elizabeth's face when she sees him is priceless, it's just so - she's all set to object to going anywhere with him, on the grounds of 'ewww'. *dead*
Course, the bit with the apple was not attractive, but that's just the sort of pirate Barbossa is - the completely stereotypical sort. Essence of Arrrr, Matey.
Jack did steal two things in Tia Dalma's - the second was the ring, but the first one looked like a little money purse, like the one he took off the dock in Port Royale during Black Pearl. I like the idea that he took the ring so we'd notice the locket, though. The shot follows his hand and then shifts to the locket, rather than staying with him.
So, Tia Dalma and Davy Jones, huh? *ponders*
Oh, and the map on the wall of Beckett's... erm. What shall we call a place Beckett stays in? Office? Pit? Place whereat we should aim the cannons? The guy is annoying and creepy, and he and Mercer have that sun and shadow thing going on that is still sticking in my head. The map, though. Which amused me for the shape of the general location of Florida, but otherwise was rather interesting. Not sure why that was sticking in my head anymore than I am why Mercer and Beckett, whose names I couldn't remember the first time through. But, hey. Something about it slowly getting filled in, wrong or not.
And I really want to know what happened with Beckett and Jack. And who and what Jack was before he was 'Captain' Jack Sparrow. Aside from making a deal with Davy Jones, what else might Jack have given up to get the Pearl? And why did that keep making me think of a story read in high school, one that I couldn't even remember the name of, until I had to track it down and find out what it was?
The Pearl, John Steinbeck.
Meanwhile, munchkin and Mommy hosting is going as well as could be expected.
Mercer is a distinctly creepy shadow. Especially when Beckett addresses that line about every man having a price to him. Very air of conspiracy, there.
...is it possible that the chest Beckett wants is not Davy Jones's?
1. Beckett never mentions Davy Jones. He says 'There is more than one chest of value in these waters.'
2. Jack and Gibbs come to the conclusion that he's after 'the Chest' but here again - they don't mention Davy Jones, they just hurry to get a move on. It could just as easily be, 'oh we've got to get this Jones business out of the way and protect the real prize.'
3. And when Norrington brings him Davy Jones's still-beating heart? (I just get a kick out of saying that, and yes I did say that while typing. ;p ) We see interest on Beckett's face, but not triumph I think. It's Norrington himself who looks ever-so-smug. And it cuts there, it doesn't show us how Beckett reacts to knowing what was in the bag.
Other than that? Just, wow. The self-references, all the old scenes with new looks. Will on a piece of broken ship for a raft, and waking up to see Elizabeth! Her father breaking the candlestick off, and he's still there while they're becoming all intimate. >:P Her wedding dress is the umbrella, isn't it?
That was Barbossa's hat in Tia Dalma's place - watching Black Pearl now, and there he is wearing it.
the Kraken is still incredibly cool. I can't imagine getting tired of seeing that, you know? Arms snaking up to ensnare the ship, and realizing it can't even see what its doing - just feeling its way to a grip firm enough to bring the ship down. At least, until it got Jack. I rather think it half climbed onto the ship like that because, as Gibbs said, they made it angry. 'Forget the crushing, I want to bite something!'
That something just happened to be its original prey.
I suppose I should be sad about Jack, except I really don't believe he's gone. Not with Will and his Piratey Crew all set up for their Heroic Quest. :D With Barbossa, omg. Elizabeth's face when she sees him is priceless, it's just so - she's all set to object to going anywhere with him, on the grounds of 'ewww'. *dead*
Course, the bit with the apple was not attractive, but that's just the sort of pirate Barbossa is - the completely stereotypical sort. Essence of Arrrr, Matey.
Jack did steal two things in Tia Dalma's - the second was the ring, but the first one looked like a little money purse, like the one he took off the dock in Port Royale during Black Pearl. I like the idea that he took the ring so we'd notice the locket, though. The shot follows his hand and then shifts to the locket, rather than staying with him.
So, Tia Dalma and Davy Jones, huh? *ponders*
Oh, and the map on the wall of Beckett's... erm. What shall we call a place Beckett stays in? Office? Pit? Place whereat we should aim the cannons? The guy is annoying and creepy, and he and Mercer have that sun and shadow thing going on that is still sticking in my head. The map, though. Which amused me for the shape of the general location of Florida, but otherwise was rather interesting. Not sure why that was sticking in my head anymore than I am why Mercer and Beckett, whose names I couldn't remember the first time through. But, hey. Something about it slowly getting filled in, wrong or not.
And I really want to know what happened with Beckett and Jack. And who and what Jack was before he was 'Captain' Jack Sparrow. Aside from making a deal with Davy Jones, what else might Jack have given up to get the Pearl? And why did that keep making me think of a story read in high school, one that I couldn't even remember the name of, until I had to track it down and find out what it was?
The Pearl, John Steinbeck.
Meanwhile, munchkin and Mommy hosting is going as well as could be expected.
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Date: 2006-07-14 02:48 pm (UTC)I'm thinking he'd really want Davy Jones' locker. Because if the deep can disgorge an entire *ship* -- the Pearl -- hey why not.
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Date: 2006-07-15 12:47 am (UTC)thankstrangle Norrington. >:P(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-19 03:49 pm (UTC)The map was of interest to me because it is slowly being filled in: the world is being reduced to the limits of reason, the measurable miles between one coast and another, and nowhere on that map is there room for mermaids or krakens or anything that currency cannot control. While our heroes are preparing to sail into some weird and mythic waters indeed. There's a visible division being set up between the modern, rational world, and the old and strange one that still underlies it. And there's Jack, whom Cutler Beckett views as a relic of a dying age, who "must find a place in the new world or perish." Hence I am intrigued by your suggestion that Beckett isn't after Davy Jones' heart at all: does he believe in such maritime superstitions? And if not, what is it that he wants?
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Date: 2006-07-20 02:23 am (UTC)I have this vauge notion, though it doesn't seem to quite fit, that he's after some famous treasure or something. Except I can't imagine what he might be after - the only thing I remember offhand that he might think possible is the Northwest Passage, and wouldn't he want room left on his brand new map for that if he thought he could find it?
Now I'm going to end up
Googlingtreasure hunting myself. 'What could Beckett be looking for?'(no subject)
Date: 2006-07-20 02:49 am (UTC)Perhaps he sees Davy Jones' heart as the means to a more generalized control of the sea, then: convenient trade winds, and then storms along the routes where the East India Company's ships don't sail . . . I suppose I'll have to see the third film to find out. I like the idea of the Northwest Passage, though. Although I keep thinking that, if so, the compass will end up pointing to Stan Rogers.